Jonathan Bailor: Why Calories Don’t Matter, How Chocolate = Huge Muscles, and Why You Should Eat More and Exercise Less

Jonathan Bailor on The Fat-Burning Man Show

Today’s show is with Jonathan Bailor, he’s a guy who definitely knows his stuff. Anyone with the credo, EAT MORE. EXERCISE LESS, is speaking straight to my heart. He is a bona fide go-getter with an impressive list of accomplishments and projects, including hosting another podcast called The Smarter Science of Slim.

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Alright, onto the show. We chat about:

  • Why you should eat more and exercise less
  • What being a type 1 diabetic is like
  • Why calories in, calories out is a flawed framework
  • And how drinking a chocolate cocoa shake can give you huge muscles…

Here’s today’s show:

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  1. This was great — I’m a big fan of Jonathan’s enthusiasm for sharing awesome knowledge around nutrition and exercise! One note, as a type 1 diabetic myself, you are not necessarily born with type 1 — it can actually develop at any age, even late into your forties. It was once named “Juvenile diabetes” because it was thought to only develop between birth and your late teens, but more and more people are developing type 1 diabetes late into their 20s, 30s and 40s.

    It’s also interesting to note that without insulin, you actually would NOT have to feel a type 1 diabetic a lot of carbs (or 10,000 grams as mentioned in the interview) in order to kill them or raise blood glucose levels. Merely a few hours without insulin present leads to very high blood sugars, ketones (not in good way that you know about from ketogenic diets), and can be very life-threatening, very quickly. Feed a person without insulin present just a small handful of carbs and you’ll easily exacerbate and speed up that situation.

    Thanks for the great podcast, fellas.

    • Organic unrefined coconut would be your best bet, and then unsweetened, unprocessed cocoa (raw if you want) as well! Glad you enjoyed the show! – Emily, FBM Team Coach

  2. At 29:36, your guest says “We have to [ask] what are the foods…that provide the most essential nutrients, both micro and macro, per calorie, and that’s really not debatable – with the exception of MAYBE organ meats – that those are going to be non-starchy vegetables.”

    13 episodes earlier, you interviewed Mat Lalonde who presented substantial data showing that on an average nutrient density/caloric weight score, Organ Meats ranked #1, Fish/Seafood #5, Pork #6, Beef #7, and Vegetables not appearing until #20. His 2012 AHS talk goes into detail on this.

    • You’re going to hear a lot of differing opinions out there about the “best” foods to eat. The research is always changing, and opinions go with it. One thing that’s always been important on Abel’s show is to bring as much information to listeners as possible, this will always mean that there will be differing opinions! Hopefully you’ve enjoyed the information from The Fat-Burning Man Show! – Emily, FBM Team

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