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How is it possible to shed over 100 pounds and keep it off without exercise?
How can we counteract the damaging effects of artificial blue light and non-native EMF to heal at the cellular level?
Why are professional athletes suddenly falling apart in their prime, and what can we do about it?
To answer these questions and more, I’m honored to welcome back to the show, our friend Dr. Jack Kruse, a respected neurosurgeon, CEO of the Kruse Longevity Center, author, self-described mitochondriac, and inventor looking at the quantum level to explain how nature works in biology. Dr. Kruse is board-certified by the American Board of Neurological Surgery and has completed more than 10,000 surgeries in his career.
For the edification of those who don’t know him. Dr. Jack Kruse is an incredible, brilliant human being. He’s been known to write blog posts buck naked outside in below-freezing temperatures, pack himself on ice for hours and get banned from TED talks.
Back in 2008, Dr. Kruse began experimenting on himself with various protocols including leptin and cold thermogenesis, and as a result shed an astounding 133+ pounds without focusing on exercise.
Dr. Kruse is a fearless seeker ready to blow the top off the centralized paradigm to uncover the whole truth, and he holds no punches in today’s interview, as usual.
In this interview with Dr. Jack Kruse, we’re chatting about:
- The truth about how humans can optimize function within the laws of nature (hint: light, water and magnetism)
- How to break free from the centralized paradigm in medicine and its centralized profiteers
- A quick history of medical tyranny in the United States
- How to use UV light and cold temperatures to access the superhuman pathway
- How to harness the power of the sun and melanin to fuel your mitochondria
- How to counteract the damaging effects of non-native EMFs
- Why using Bluetooth headphones is like microwaving your brain
- Why we should rewild and get outdoors while exercising
- And tons more…
Buckle up ladies and gentlemen, here is the much anticipated interview with the one and only, Dr. Jack Kruse. I hope you enjoy.
Dr. Jack’s previous interview on the Fat-Burning Man show was the longest ever episode on the podcast, at almost an hour and a half long, but this interview here today completely smashes that record clocking in at about 2 hours long.
So I hope you can listen to it, whether it’s in one part or two. It’s amazing how much information Dr. Kruse can pack into one conversation, so I hope you enjoy.
Also in the time between recording this interview, hopefully you notice that I’m a little bit less pale than I was before. I’ve definitely been out hitting the sun and Jack loves to rip on me for being too pale and too white, and he’s not wrong.
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Dr. Jack Kruse: If you want to get the daily lessons, read Twitter, you want to read 10+ years worth of my work, just go to my website, my forums—it’s all there for free. If you want the cutting edge stuff, costs five bucks a month, the cost of a cup of coffee, that’s on Patreon, patreon.com/DrJackKruse.
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Dr. Jack Kruse: I’ve got a lot of old blogs on the Jack Cruise website that are free. I’ve got I think close to 200 free blogs on LinkedIn. You want to follow me on Instagram? I put all my quotes there, sometimes I put lessons, but most of the time it’s quotes. But the bottom line is you can find me anywhere. If you decide you want more of me then you can sign up and be a full member. Or if you really want a lot of me, it’s expensive, but you can hire me as your doctor. That’s kind of what I’m doing—tomorrow, I’m going to see one of my patients in Norway. So don’t think that I won’t go and find you if I need to come find you.
Dr. Kruse is also CEO of the Kruse Longevity Center, built to teach its members to think differently and gain results that few think is possible. Head over to KruseatDestin.com to learn more.
And one more time, just go to JackKruse.com for blogs, join the discussion on the forum, get books, webinars and much more.
Alright, here’s the full conversation with Dr. Kruse.
Circadian Biology, Melanin & How To Heal Your Mitochondria
Abel: I’m honored to welcome back to the show today our friend Dr. Jack Kruse. Dr. Kruse is a board certified physician by the American Board of Neurological Surgery, and has completed more than 10,000 surgeries in his career.
Back in his college days, he was an All-American football and baseball player, and these days he’s fresh off one of the most epic mind expanding podcast interviews I’ve ever heard with Dr. Andrew Huberman and Rick Rubin on Tetragrammaton.
Welcome back Dr. Kruse. What’s cooking in Norway?
Jack Kruse: What’s going on Abel, long time no speak.
Abel: I know, man. It’s great to be back in touch, but I’d love to have you start with a little talk about modern medicine and how it lacks a deep understanding of how humans actually function in relation to the natural world.
Dr. Jack Kruse: The paradigm that’s present today that most people just experienced, I mean we just went through this global pandemic that really highlights the problem between centralized medicine and decentralized medicine.
Back when you and I first met at the PaleoFX conference when I was their keynote speaker, I actually opened the door to decentralized medicine and decentralized ideas.
And you know probably better than anybody else, that even though the ancestral health community was pretty open, they didn’t really understand what full decentralization really meant.
Because it really is about the laws of nature. It’s tied to light, water and magnetism.
'It really is about the laws of nature. It's tied to light, water and magnetism.' ― Dr. Jack Kruse @DrJackKruse Share on XAnd the centralized paradigm is actually tied to the centralized profiteers who make the rules and then everybody else has to follow the rules.
And it turns out the way the paradigm really works, it’s about Big Pharma, their drugs, and then the randomized controlled clinical trial.
And if you talk to pretty much anybody with an MD who follows the centralized paradigm, they believe that evidence-based medicine is based on peer review and randomized controlled trials.
Then when you casually mention to them that this is a huge problem, as I did in the Huberman podcast. You probably remember what I said to him, that there’s been no light controls in any RCT, so therefore how can you assume that anything that you currently believe is accurate without those controls.
But now I want to step on it a little further because I think you’ll really enjoy this.
So, for randomized controlled clinical trials to actually be the gold standard, do you know what that means from a physics standpoint? Like, I’m talking about a decentralized standpoint.
It means that cause and effect has to be real. It can’t be an illusion.
And it turns out the only place that cause and effect can be real is in a Newtonian world where time is absolute.
So I know, Abel, that you know about this funny-haired guy from 1905 who was in the Bern office that said, Hey, time is relative. In fact, everything is relative.
And if time is relative, what did that do to the Newtonian paradigm? It blew it up.
But here’s the interesting thing, even though physics accepted what Einstein said in 1905, centralized medicine did not.
They still believe the way methodology should be done is, cause and effect is real.
And we now know that everything in nature is based on probabilities.
Well, if you say that to a centralized doctor, to this very day, they are infuriated by this because they think my position is pseudoscience.
And you remember this interaction probably at the PaleoFX conference best when Emily Deans—who actually blocked me after you and I last met—when I told her eating a banana in Boston on December 31st in 2011, was actually a way to hurt yourself.
Abel: I remember this, yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse: She did not get it. And I know you were there. You heard me say it.
Abel: Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse: So that’s the big issue for me with medicine is that, if you’re part and a believer of the centralized paradigm, you have to accept things that are just total bullsh*t.
We now know these things aren’t true, but you have to realize what I just told you and your audience, literally, less than 0.1% of people know is even true.
It’s operational even today. The mistake is still being made today.
Circadian Biology & Decentralized Laws of Nature
Abel: All over the place. And for centralized versus decentralized medicine, centralized medicine kind of has all of the real estate in the space and has pushed out, through technological means in a lot of cases, censorship, blocking, kind of like tribalism and all the rest of it, to try to just put all of the rest of this stuff out of most people’s minds.
But when you think about circadian biology, there’s a lot to this and there’s a lot of history there.
Maybe we can go back in time to 1893 and talk about some of the changes that happened for humans and for animals on this planet, and why things aren’t necessarily getting better as all these people who swear by progress might think.
Dr. Jack Kruse: Yeah. I would tell you, that’s actually the fundamental key to understanding decentralized medicine.
Remember, decentralized means that there’s no single controller.
So when we talk circadian biology, like I’ve always done, realize the two parts of the cycle are light and dark.
So there’s not one, it’s not one or the other, it’s got to be both, both the yoke. This is predator and this is prey.
And when you understand it from that framework, you begin to see there’s no single most important thing.
Actually, light from the sun is important as darkness at night time is.
'Light from the sun is important as darkness at night time is.' ― Dr. Jack Kruse @DrJackKruse Share on XAnd if you make a mistake on either side, and it becomes unbalanced for lack of a better term, the circadian mechanism is no longer yoked and that allows destruction to come to cells in terms of how cells are organized.
So you probably heard in the Rubin podcast that the organization of cells also is solid state. So I’ve kind of blown that paradigm up.
I was never able to really get that far in the Paleo community, because they effectively tried to cancel my message.
So I just built my own site and did my own deal to teach people that circadian biology was the key issue.
It’s not food, it’s not exercise. Those things are important, but in the grand scale of things, they’re like six, seven down on the list.
There’s a lot of other things that are much more important above it.
And you know, over the last 10 or 12 years, from the last time you and I have talked, when you were big in that community with Robb Wolf and the rest of them, things changed.
In fact, the Nobel Prize has been given in that timeframe to the circadian biology.
The last time I checked, I didn’t see the Paleo diet getting a Nobel Prize.
Abel: Right. Well, they don’t tend to award that to something that’s more of a heuristic. And that’s not what you’re talking about here.
Dr. Jack Kruse: That’s true. No question.
But the point still remains that I think that some of the smartest people in the food nutrition space really sh*t the bed when they missed the story about light.
That really was the big problem that I had.
And like I said, you have two choices in life.
You can persist to try to bang your head against the wall to try to teach people whose job it is to misunderstand you. And that’s kind of what happened there.
Or you just go and you persist on to continue to teach the people who truly do have a beginner’s mindset who want to learn about how decentralized science work.
Because let’s face it, there’s only two decentralized networks in all of nature.
One is nature, it’s natural.
The other one is Bitcoin, and that’s financial, built by an algorithm, but it uses the same principles of timing that actually circadian biology does.
So when you get right down to it, you make the decision. Do I want to be part of the centralized system or the decentralized system?
And I think the reason that my message has really gotten a lot of traction over the last probably two, three years is because of what happened with COVID.
I think COVID really showed people there is a huge downside to the centralized system.
And in fact, that centralized system can be used to not only harm you, but actually can be used to cancel you and affect your job, affect your health, affect the decisions that you really should be making for you as the CEO of yourself.
Abel: So what was it that happened around the turn of the century that started to affect human health so much, talking about electricity and the different forms of AC and DC specifically.
Dr. Jack Kruse: Well the number one thing, and I know you know this, was really the electric power wars and the wars that started the electric power wars between Westinghouse, Tesla, Thomas Alva Edison, and how the teams were all formed.
And Edison was the big DC guy. He was backed by JP Morgan.
Tesla, who worked with Edison at one time, but then he left, then he showed his design of the AC power motor to Edison, and Edison said this was too dangerous because of the voltages involved.
And they went their separate ways and Westinghouse joined with Tesla.
Obviously, the story came to a fighting head in 1893 in Chicago and Paris when the World’s Fair was basically electrified and it turned out that Westinghouse and Edison won the war because they showed that they could do it.
And then JP Morgan completely changed the channel by using the centralized financial system to bankrupt the Westinghouse and steal all the patents of Tesla.
And what did he do?
He formed General Electric, which basically took over, and used Tesla’s work to electrify the surface of the earth so that we could start to plug everything into it.
And that fueled the change from the agricultural revolution probably to the industrial revolution, which really fully developed since that time.
So 1879 is when the light bulb was innovated. But the power grid in 1893 is the real seminal event that most humans have to reel. That’s when we became uncoupled from the light and dark cycle.
Abel: And then all of a sudden we start seeing obesity become a problem. We see Alzheimer’s and autism as a population kind of for the first time.
And especially if you look at the data more recently over the course of time, it’s ugly.
Things are not progressing like many people say that they are, especially when we look at human health.
Dr. Jack Kruse: Yeah. Well, it’s interesting that you bring up those. I always like when I do a podcast to give people a little bit of history.
The first paper on Alzheimer’s was written in 1901, so only 7 years after this.
And then, the first paper on autism is 1940.
And if you think about what was happening in the world at those times and how, really communications from the World Wars, both of them really ramped up the use of both wireless and light, you begin to see how the neolithic diseases link to the changes and how we use light.
And most people think, when I say light, they think it’s just the light that we put on in the environment.
It turns out the light that we use to communicate is as deadly as the light that we use to illuminate for refraction.
And part of the reason for that is because it turns out that the non-visual system of mammals is built in a very specific way that’s affected by all these formats of light.
And that’s kind of what I started to get into with Huberman.
That’s the real reason Rick invited me on the podcast to try to educate Huberman on the basics of what he really didn’t know about light.
And you know, I had hoped to do that through the Paleo community, like when I first met you 11, 12 years ago, so that people would understand that food fundamentally is a story of photosynthesis.
'Food fundamentally is a story of photosynthesis.' ― Dr. Jack Kruse @DrJackKruse Share on XThat’s part of the reason why when I mentioned Emily Deans earlier, the fact that I got laughed about that, still to this day, is a stunning revelation that nobody in the Paleo community really understood that all food webs linked back to photosynthesis.
I still find that one thing shocking.
But nonetheless, it’s history, it’s over with, and, I actually had to do a podcast. It wasn’t actually a podcast, it was a talk in Vermont for the Weston A. Price Foundation—actually it’s on YouTube now—where I actually made the case that food is an electromagnetic barcode of photosynthesis.
So I think once that got put out there and then people saw that perspective, that allowed them to assimilate some of the message.
And then the same thing that happened at that time was actually when the Nobel Prize was given for circadian biology. I think that’s when things began to really change.
Abel: So let’s talk a little bit more about the different forms of light, because like you said, when many people hear that word, they’re thinking, are we talking about the sun or are we talking about screens?
How deep does this go and how much does it affect?
Dr. Jack Kruse: Well, the sun is obviously the light that we evolved with.
It’s the light that all the photoreceptors that you know about, like we’re talking rods and cones.
Remember, rods and cones are really the story of refraction and how we see.
Most people believe that those photoreceptors are the most important. It turns out in biology they’re not.
And actually that’s the story that I’m unfolding.
So let’s talk about the opsins because the opsins are the ones that we talked about with Rick and Huberman.
We have Encephalopsin, we have Neuropsin, we have Melanopsin, we have Rhodopsin. Those are the opsins that people know about.
What they don’t know is how they control the different things in mammals that control your coats, your skin, even your lipid type.
For example, one of the things that stunned I think Huberman is when I told him the number one non-visual photoreceptor in humans is cholesterol.
And the real difference, like the decentralized mindset for cholesterol is radically different than you’re going to hear from the centralized guys who are the lipidologists.
LDL cholesterol is bad for one reason. It doesn’t have electrons in it. So that means it’s the winter type of cholesterol.
HDL cholesterol has more electrons in it, so that means you can absorb more light. So mammals have to have a plan to change their cell membranes between seasons.
So most people who live on a farm, and I know you’ve been on farms, you know this, cows and horses look different between fall or winter and summer and spring.
But no one’s actually really sat down in the health space and said, “Ok, how does this process really happen?”
Well, believe it or not, what controls it is all these non-visual photoreceptor changes.
And if you happen to live in a disruptive environment, those processes don’t happen properly.
So, for example, the simple low-hanging fruit for people to get is, everybody knows that when you’re not in the sun enough, your vitamin D is not made, and your LDL cholesterol tends to go up. And no one has put two and two together yet.
Well yeah, LDL cholesterol makes vitamin D, but there’s a bigger story there.
The story is not only is that a sign that you’re light mismatch, but immediately, you also need to know that LDL cholesterol plus T3 and vitamin A equals pregnenolone.
So it turns out when LDL cholesterol is up, that tells you the animal is also light-stressed.
And this is exactly how this system begins to work.
So when you have a bunch of centralized doctors sit down at a meeting and start talking to you about your hormone panel, this and that, but they don’t have this fundamental idea that it’s not the boxcars of biochemistry that you learned.
Like you used to hear Matt Lalonde and Robb Wolf talk about this, or Chris Masterjohn. What I was basically trying to get them, all three of them to understand is that light controls the boxcars of biochemistry. In other words, how to do the things that it does. That’s the missing link.
So I used an analogy that I think you’ll like, because I know you’re a big music guy.
I said, “If you have the boxcar biochemistry mindset, it’s equivalent to you going to buy Prince’s guitar, ok, and thinking because you own the guitar that you can play like Prince, it’s ridiculous.”
And the thing is, I think the idea, at least for those guys was so foreign, because they truly believe that it’s really all about biochemistry, and it’s not.
When I kept showing them over and over and over again what they were missing, it’s almost like they couldn’t fathom it.
And in the Huberman podcast, you probably remember when we started to talk about melanopsin.
Remember, Dr. Huberman uses the cephalopod in his lab because he’s got a joint appointment in ophthalmology and neurosurgery.
And I told him in the podcast, I said, “Realize that the cephalopod brain is really human brain 1.0, and that our brain is 1,150,000.”
And when he made the comment that Dr. Berson, who’s one of his friends found that we have amphibian opsin called Melanopsin in our brain, everybody couldn’t believe that in 2002.
I kind of chuckled during the podcast, and I’m like, “Do you guys not realize that mammals came from amphibians and fish?”
It’s almost like that basic concept was actually lost.
And the reason why this is important for people to understand, why I want people to get it, is these systems are ancient.
They are ancient in us. They are ancient in all life forms.
Most people don’t even know that the cephalopods that Huberman studies, they came on earth around 590 million years ago. That’s literally about 50 million years after the Cambrian explosion.
So these are ancient animals.
So realize this story of the non-visual photoreceptors, meaning the opsins, this goes back to the genesis of when life became very complex after the Cambrian explosion.
We’re not talking about the first two domains of life. Now we’re talking about the eukaryotes and all of a sudden 32 philos showed up overnight, 650 million years ago.
And it turns out that the opsins have this weak covalent bond between them and vitamin A.
And that brings the story and you start to go, “Ok, why is vitamin A important in the story?”
It turns out it’s a quantum mechanical action. And when vitamin A is liberated and not controlled properly by the circadian system, vitamin A becomes a wrecking ball. It destroys all photoreceptors, but it also destroys the non-visual photoreceptors.
For example, between the time you and I have talked last, we now know that vitamin B12 is a human photoreceptor.
Most people today in the community that you and I used to play in, still don’t know that’s true.
So if given what I just told you, you understand that vitamin A liberated from say blue light or putting a microphone in your ear when you play some music, disrupts that.
Like one of the big things that’s happening now because everybody’s wearing these apple pods in their ears, but none of them really know that their cochlea is lined with melanin and they have no idea that they’re destroying this.
So they wonder why they’re getting tinnitus, or why they’re getting these new conditions out there like misanthropia, where they have almost hearing or auditory hallucinations.
This is coming from the breakdown of the non-visual photoreceptors.
But we are seeing evolution happen as we use technology differently than we have before. It’s no different than the story that you and I started this podcast with.
Saying, “Jack, let’s go back to 1893.”
Ok, well, now I want you to remember 2021 when people started putting these stupid freakin’ things in their ears and thinking that there’s no problem.
I mean, realize when you put one in your ear and one in this ear, the microwaves are going right through your brain.
'Realize when you put bluetooth earbuds in each ear, the microwaves are going right through your brain.' ― Dr. Jack Kruse @DrJackKruse Share on XAnd for you to think that there’s no problem with this, it’s equivalent, say for me to tell you 11 years ago when we first met, “Hey Abel, I’d love for you to stick your head in the microwave oven.”
You would’ve said, “That’s preposterous.”
But guess what?
All the people and even some of the people that I guarantee you make music with now, you think about electric guitars, you think about the people who’ve killed themselves, the Kurt Cobains, the Michael Jacksons, the Bedingfields, all the people in music, all of a sudden, their stories begin to make a lot more sense.
In other words, if you just have the, what I like to call the boxcar mentality, you can’t explain why all of a sudden somebody who can be uber-talented from the time they’re 5 years old to about 30 and then fall apart in front of all of our eyes and get all kinds of weird problems, and not have at least some curiosity to say, “How’d this happen?”
Abel: And it’s par for the course. It’s not the exception that that happens.
It seems like that’s the traditional path of especially the more famous and “successful” you are, especially if you get famous as a young person like Michael Jackson say, then things start to break down over the course of time.
But usually, yeah, somewhere in the 30s, maybe the 40s, certainly by 50, if they make it past 27, that is.
Dr. Jack Kruse: I just look at it like this.
When I think about 1984 to right now, I think about like Prince, I think about Michael Jackson, I think about all the different artists, and to think about how successful they were in the beginning and how they’ve fallen apart, it’s actually the story of what we’re seeing in kids now.
We’re seeing kids in Asia now, 96% of them have myopia.
No one seems to want to discuss why.
We have kids now between 12 and 15 years old killing themselves like this. That never happened before.
Now, we see kids who want to change the color of their hair, they want to do things their parents didn’t do, girls want to be boys, and boys want to be girls.
Many of the things that you saw start, like from Def Leppard on, the androgyny that was novel back then, all that’s happened is the needle has gone further and further and further.
And Abel, here’s the thing that people don’t understand.
Vitamin A controls sexual dimorphism in mammals.
So when you begin to realize that we use technology that breaks the vitamin A off and then the non-visual photoreceptors just get destroyed, you realize that cell signaling within the human brain is just like what Huberman said, it’s like a light show that you can see in the Cephalopod.
In the human brain, the same thing’s going on.
The difference is when I open the head up, you don’t see the light show.
Why? Because evolution has hidden the light show, because the solid state physics that’s used in the brain is much more, I don’t want to say competent, but it’s much more complex than it was in the Cephalopod brain.
But I don’t want anybody to think who listens to this, that these things can’t be explained.
It really frustrates me to the nth degree for us as interested mammals or interested clinicians to look at the world events going on around us and not be able to sit down and have the discussion.
Why is it that the world is changing around us the way it is? Is there a path that we’re missing?
And I guess the point that I want to make, probably to you and your audience, probably more to you because you were there in the beginning when I started to try to unleash this path in a group of people who I thought were ready for it.
That was a huge miscalculation for me. I’ll be the first one to admit it.
But here we are now, 11, 12 years later, you’re an older guy and you’ve seen it. You’ve actually experienced it yourself and it’s got to make people curious. Why is this kind of stuff going on?
Because then you can layer it on and say, “Ok, is this the reason why really the French paradox really existed? Is this the reason why we’ve got the problem with the 7 countries studies that we always used to argue about in Paleo times.”
The reason why is it’s a latitude based flawed study.
It goes back to the story that I mentioned to you earlier and to Huberman on the podcast about, you don’t have light controls, sometimes you start to blame food for things that light causes.
And that’s exactly what’s happened over the last 100, 150 years.
Now, I’m not going to tell you, there’s not certain things about food science that have totally f*@ked things up, to be honest with you, like seed oils and things like that.
But the seed oil guys that are out on Twitter now, none of them seem to realize the real problem with seed oils is that you’ve lost the QA program of photosynthesis, that it’s really a deuterium story. Actually, it’s an isotope of hydrogen.
And then we get back to, “Oh, sh*t that’s a quantum mechanical issue.”
And of course, that’s when they want to stop because they don’t know anything about the quantum mechanics between H+ and deuterium.
They don’t understand how light works with a difference, and they certainly don’t want to have a discussion about Einstein’s E = mc², because that’s actually the reason why deuterium is bad. And it’s the reason why photosynthesis has favored H+.
It’s why we have all those stupid little enzymatic steps in the glycolytic pathway, and you know the gluconeogenic pathway, because nature is telling us, “I want this version of hydrogen. I don’t want the other one, because when I get the other one, we get problems.”
And the problems are dictated by those decentralized laws of natures. The one that Feynman warned us about and said, Nature is absurd and it’s your job to understand she is absurd.
And don’t try to come up with some half-truth bullsh*t biochemistry story about why she’s not absurd.
'Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd.' ― Richard P. Feynman Share on XAnd all I want people to do, I don’t really want people to believe what I’m telling you, all I want you to do is examine what I’m saying.
I want you to be like the guy who sat maybe next to Emily Deans to say, “You know, I never thought about eating a banana out of season and what the effects of that potentially could be on my mitochondria. In fact, I’ve never heard anybody actually mention that before.”
And this is the reason why I told people at that talk long ago, it’s the mark of an educated mind to take something you fundamentally do not know and examine it for yourself and decide, is this something that I should pay attention to or not?
'It's the mark of an educated mind to take something you fundamentally do not know and examine it for yourself and decide ‘is this something that I should pay attention to or not?'' ― Dr. Jack Kruse @DrJackKruse Share on XAnd you were there during that Keynote speech, you heard what I said.
I spoke from the heart that I was sick and tired of being fed up with medicine, back then.
So you can only imagine how I feel now after COVID. I mean, it’s like crazy.
Abel: Yeah. And so you’re talking about mismatches and maybe you could talk about Rick Rubin a little bit and how you worked with him and changed his habits.
But talking about the way that many musicians live their lives out of necessity because you have to pay the bills, even if you do pursue the arts.
The way that I was doing it was like many other musicians, basically you are active at night and you are sleeping for a lot of the day. And that’s most days, if not all of the days. That’s just how you’re set up. That’s when the shows are, that’s when you’ve got to travel, that’s when you’ve got to pack up your gear and go home, what have you.
So Rick Rubin at some point his health began to degrade from this and as an intervention, you had him do something that many people would love to do, walk on the beach out in the sun.
Why would that work with our biology better than what most people who are performers actually do for their careers?
Dr. Jack Kruse: Well, this goes directly to the whole point of the podcast.
I mean, there’s a lot to unpack there, but let’s talk about what destroyed Rick. Because I actually believe, in order for you to understand this, you have to understand how things fall apart to see how they come together.
So Rick at that time was 400 pounds, he was a vegan, he wore sunglasses at night, ok. He did everything possible that you could do wrong, ok.
So for him, you heard even in the podcast, he’s not interested in learning the science, he’s a mammal that says, “Just tell me what to do and I will do it.”
And he will continue to pay attention to you more if he continues to get more right, more right, more right.
So what did he do?
First thing is, he changed the way he worked.
That’s actually what I did. I stopped operating as much at night and started to do stuff during the day.
So the first thing with him being a music guy, he’s like, “Ok, we’re going to change the way we do recording.”
Then he took the sunglasses off.
Then he said, “Ok, I’m going to start eating animal proteins because I’m beginning to understand that my circadian clock needs this DHA, for some reason. Jack’s talked about it, I don’t want to get into it, I know it has to do with Einstein, but I’m just going to eat oysters because Jack told me oysters is the key.”
So he did that.
The big thing is, you know, he’s originally from New York City, but he lived in California and Malibu where Shangri-La is.
And I told him, I said “This place is toxic for you, you need to get out.”
So he picked up and he went to Hawaii.
And then he found out Hawaii wasn’t even good enough, he had to go someplace better. So he went someplace even better, further South.
And what happened with Rick slowly over time is he basically learned that circadian biology was the single most important thing.
And the two things in circadian biology that matter the most is light and dark, but also temperature.
And you remember when you and I first met, I talked to people a lot about the cold thermogenesis stuff.
I started talking about cold before Wim Hof, before Cool Sculpting was out.
I mean, my papers were written in 2005. Cool Sculpting didn’t get patents until 2008. Nobody even knew who the hell Wim Hof was back at those times.
Abel: Right.
Dr. Jack Kruse: But I could care less about attribution, what I cared about is changing medicine.
And that’s still the point to this very day. I only care that people understand how cold works.
So you remember some of the original stuff that I wrote back in the CT Series that blew people’s minds, it’s part of the reason why they invited me to the keynote speaker address when I basically said, “All mammals use the mammalian dive reflex.”
And the reason why is they’re in water in their mothers, and we’re born that way and we’re paying attention to temperature sensation all over our bodies.
You think about some of the stuff that we talked about in the beginning of this podcast about the non-visual photoreceptors, the reason mammals change their exterior coats has to do with temperature and light changes.
And that in fact, nature was signaling to me that this was all about the circadian mechanism because that’s actually what the circadian mechanism pays attention to, and that is—for want of a better term, I want to keep this musical because of you and also Rick—that’s the conductor that tells all the boxcars what to do, ok?
Just like Rick takes all the information that he gets in Shangri-La and he puts it together for Adele, or he puts it together for Metallica, or he puts it together for one of the rappers or the hiphop guys that he works with. And he makes that sound better than what it was before.
In other words, it was still good, but he knew that it can be better.
He’s trying to extract the value out of that sound for the artist.
And what circadian biology is doing for us, Abel, is extracting the value out of light and temperature to get the value out of us.
And what you heard in the Rubin / Huberman podcast is something that probably stunned a lot of people, that the value you’re looking for is you’re looking to create light that’s stronger than the sun makes.
And that was the stunning revelation that caught everybody by surprise.
But I think people forget when they go back and look at the blogs that I wrote 15 years ago, it’s called the Leptin Melanocortin Pathway.
That was what that ancient CT6 Blog was all about.
You know what the problem was back then, even Abel, that even the people that were in the Paleo community who told you they were science forward, they weren’t as science forward as they should have been because nobody asked me about Melanin back then, but everybody asked me about Leptin.
And you remember the story, the keynote speech, how I told you, I came upon the story from Big Pharma, how they tried to bury it? And what did I say?
My goal wasn’t really to bury Big Pharma back then. I was a 40 year old doctor at that time and this really stunned me. This went against everything that I fundamentally believe.
And I said, “I need to understand how this hormone works in the brain.”
I mean, after all I’m a brain surgeon. This hormone is in the hypothalamus. This is an area that I’m an expert in.
And I realized, how can I be an expert when I don’t know sh*t about this physiology?
I mean, I’d love to tell you I can put it any other way, but I realized I didn’t know as much as I should have known.
So what did I do?
I did what I think any wise person would do. I went back to the library and started to learn about these things. And guess what?
The things that I found out is what I just told you. The value was in light, the value was in temperature.
Then I had to go back and look at all the things that I learned and I realized what was the purpose of the circumventricular organs. What was the purpose of putting melanin around the mitochondria. What was the purpose of why people who had tightly coupled haplotypes, meaning African Americans, was inside the 20s and why guys like me and you like my people, you know you’ve met me, I’m tan now, but I’m built as an exterior for the 59th latitude.
Abel: Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse: And to know that the system is adaptable, even if your engines and your surfaces are mismatched.
Why? Because guess what?
All mammals have the same system in them.
That’s part of the reason why I wrote those blogs, The Holy Trinity blog and The Cold Thermogenesis 6 Protocol. I’m like, “All mammals work the same way.”
So, when you sit down and unpack that, that’s 300 million years, Abel.
And you remember when you and I met, everybody was infatuated with the 10,000 year history of Boyd Eaton and Loren Cordain, and what Robb brought to the table.
And what did I say?
That’s a step in the right direction, but boys and girls, we need to go way further back. This story, we need to go back all the way to the Cambrian explosion.
And what did I write in my book after that Paleo talk?
Mark Sisson hired me to write a book. I wrote it and he didn’t like it.
And the reason he didn’t like it is because it wasn’t enough about food and exercise.
And he said, “Jack, how about we just walk away from each other?”
I said, “Perfect.”
Because I realized, right then and there, that wasn’t my tribe.
I believe that your tribe vibes with this and they’re willing to adapt.
You happen to be one of the guys that I met at that event. I knew implicitly, you, Erwan Le Corre, some of the others. I knew, some of the others just weren’t open enough.
They had a business model set up for food and exercise and they weren’t breaking that for anything.
And I was like, “I just need to find people who really want to know the truth.”
And yeah, the truth is not, this is not an easy thing, Abel.
It’s not something that I can break out in a couple of tweets or an Instagram post or even doing a couple of podcasts here and there.
And you have a unique viewpoint of Jack Kruse probably compared to anybody who’s ever done a podcast with me.
Why?
Because you saw the speech, you saw what happened at that time, you saw what developed. And then you also lived the story yourself.
You actually did your own thing. You started using light a different way. You have a very unique input here.
You also saw how things develop, and to me, the fact that we’re back, 12 years, doing this again and talking about how those chapters unfolded, the story was there the day of that keynote speech.
Abel: Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse: The problem was, nobody was ready for the message.
Abel: Right.
It’s kinda like when you write a song, I’ll give you another analogy, because I’ve said this to Rick many times.
It’s like Led Zeppelin, when they wrote Led Zeppelin IV, they decided to go to an old crickety house, ok?
They were completely connected to nature. Sh*t latitude, but totally grounded, freezing cold.
They set up in the weirdest places and they played, and guess what?
First time, they did almost the whole album. There was no working on this, it just all came out.
And when people hear that story, they think that, “Oh, Led Zeppelin was amazing.”
And I don’t, I think the reason why is because they were tied to the light cycle, they were completely grounded, all of them had relatively young heteroplasmy.
It would make total sense why the human instrument would play magnificent music.
Why? It’s the same story of the Stratovarius.
The Stratovarius is millions of dollars. Why? Because the last time we had the Maunder Minimum from the sun, that wood is denser and therefore it sounds better.
It’s no different than the Led Zeppelin story that’s out there.
But here’s the funny part, Abel, it takes you the human mammal to see that story.
In other words, you’re a music guy, you are a carnivore guy, you’re a Paleo guy. You need to see how the music story resonates through this. You need to see how it goes back to light.
And then when you find out that every single sense in humans has melanin between it and the environment.
That should stun you, you should go, “Wait a minute, let me get this straight. We actually have to use light to hear. How crazy is that?”
And remember what I told you about Feynman, who said, “Nature is absurd.”
So, when you think about the story I’m unfolding, there is nothing that’s Occam’s razor about biology.
I said this to Richard Nikoley a long time ago before he started making fun of me.
I said, “Tell me what is parsimonious about the photoelectric effect. Because then, I’ll suck Spaghetti-Os outta your @sshole with a straw.”
I mean you’re supposed to be ‘free the animal’ guy.
Dude, you are as conventional wisdom as anybody could be, because you actually think it is Occam’s razor, that things should be parsimonious.
There is nothing about nature that’s parsimonious.
She is out to hide her recipes from us like the most incredible chameleon you can imagine.
And it’s our job to figure out what the recipe is, and you have to use your talents.
You’re a talented musician. I want you, just like Rick did, remember Rick doesn’t care about science, he’s a music guy. But he was able to understand that he needs to improve his collection of char in the sun via melanin.
And remember, he’s a white boy just like I am. He’s built for high latitude as well. He’s a Northern European guy with an uncoupled haplotype.
The story here is great because what are we showing you?
That you can fix yourself. Like even if you do all the wrong things.
Like, do I believe fundamentally that if Michael Jackson or Prince would’ve known some of the stuff that I’ve been talking about over the last 10 years, would’ve listened to the Rubin / Huberman podcast and the implications of it, I could have explained most of the things that they struggled with. Now, they would have had to change the situation.
Why? Because much like the Titanic, they were the people on that boat. They had to get in the lifeboat or they had to jump in the cold water to get in the lifeboat and make extraordinary decisions around their life, in other words, to fix their problems.
You may not have to do that, Abel, the fact that you moved to Colorado and now you’re back in Austin.
I hope that maybe even some of the stuff we’re talking about today and some of the things I said to you 11 years ago, and maybe some of the things you heard in the podcast resonates with you.
And say, “You know, if I’m going to continue doing what I’m doing, maybe I need to do the same thing Rick’s doing.”
I need, like, I’m looking at you right now and don’t get mad at me when I say this.
Dude, you’re too f*@king white. You need to get in the sun.
And the thing is, your music, you have the same fundamental problem that I had as a neurosurgeon, that most people do stuff at the wrong time of the day for your business and my business. And that’s a problem. It’s something that I have constantly struggled with.
I would love to tell you that I’m as optimum as I should be, but the problem is I have an addiction to doing neurosurgery.
I love doing my job, but I also know that my job is harmful to my n=1. I get it loud and clear.
So there comes a point where I’m going to have to make the same decision as you.
You are certainly a lot younger than I’m, but guess what, you’re a lot older than you were the last time I saw you.
Abel: Very true.
Dr. Jack Kruse: That means your heteroplasmy rate is catching up to you.
You’re finding that Father Time is still undefeated. No, none of us are getting out of here alive, bro. None of us.
But I will tell you that some of the things about circadian biology, some of the things that I write about, some of the things I talk about, death is the slowest form of health we create.
And we need to think about that.
We need to think about the organization of cells.
We need to think about how melanin works with mitochondria, and really fundamentally why Rick was able to do the things that he was able to do.
And then, when you heard the story about him having to have this massive surgery after he’s already fixed himself, but remember that damage was present when he was a young man, but made far worse by the things that he was doing in the music business.
And what did I do?
I actually just told him, I said, “Look, the single most important sheet of melanin that is going to keep you a national treasure is the stuff in your cochlea.”
And I knew that if I could get him on Methylene Blue when he was on pump, that we would keep the most unbelievable master tapes in the world fully functioning, no matter if he lost it in other places so that he’d still be able to do the things he could do.
And hopefully, he’s helping other people in his industry become, you know, Rick Rubin 2.0 or Rick Rubin 3.0 or 4.0, or whomever is going to be the next Rick Rubin. And I feel the same way about Huberman.
I think that’s part of the reason why Rick wanted me to come out to Malibu and talk to Huberman because Rick knows that I’m pretty passionate about getting doctors the story that I’m sharing with you right now.
Why?
I don’t want to die with knowledge.
I feel like if somebody was to die with this knowledge, it’s kind of like burning of the library of Alexandria. It’s just terrible.
And the thing is, there’s so much data out there that is pointing to light, water and magnetism, you know, and that the decentralized network of medicine needs to grow.
If I’m that guy that basically cut the path for the future guys to come, I’m fine with that. I’m perfectly ok with that.
Abel: You’re definitely at least to that, yeah.
Quick History of Medical Tyranny in the U.S.
Dr. Jack Kruse: Well, I want people to understand that when you’ve got to fight the centralized paradigm that’s in power now.
I mean, I’ve had to do this for the last 20 years.
I did it not only with centralized medicine, I did it with my own specialty. I’ve waged war against them, I’ve waged war against the hospitals, Big Pharma. I’ve waged war against the paleo guys, against the carnivore guys.
I want people to stop believing at half truths.
I want people to know half truths always lead us to full lies when you understand the fabric of how nature works.
And she, most of her stuff is so hidden. It’s so absurd when you really break it down.
That’s why I think so many people were stunned with the story of melanin.
And I have to be honest with you, Abel, for me, I told my nurse this last night. This is like old hat for me. This was not stunning for me.
This is like talking about something that I worked on 20 years ago and I think now people are just beginning to wake up about the implications of actually what this stuff means and how really important it is.
And I guess on that part, that’s part of the reason why Chantel had to twist my arm for six weeks to answer Rick, to come out.
Because the last time I did all this, Abel, I had the CIA, the FBI, DARPA, all kinds of people that I really didn’t want in my life at that time, so to speak.
And I felt like doing that podcast was an invitation back to going through that bullsh*t all over again.
Abel: Sure.
Dr. Jack Kruse: And having state medical boards come after me and everything else.
Why? Because most people these days understand what canceling someone is on social media or a doctor.
Why? Because you guys now all got a chance to see it happen before your eyes the last 2 or 3 years.
Dr. Jack Kruse: And it turned out that all the guys that people were making fun of were right.
Abel: Right.
I even did a documentary with some of those people about the vaccine before it came out, me, Malone, McCullough.
I mean, that was done 3 years ago before anybody knew this. I’m like, “Look dude.”
But the problem is all that stuff had to be behind a paywall because if it wasn’t, they would’ve come after us, just like they went after everybody else.
If you don’t think the architects of this centralized response, like Fauci and this Hotez guy down by you, and Baylor, these guys are… I said this in the Bitcoin community that the people in Washington DC right now are worse than what King George was in 1774.
That’s actually how I feel.
I wouldn’t piss on these guys in Washington DC right now if they were on fire.
Why? Because I think they’re bigger despots than the royal family was back then.
And if you think about what happened back then, that was about religious freedom. It was about taxation.
You think about what it is now. I mean, you probably know this story because I know you’re a little bit of a historian.
But Benjamin Rush was one of the founding fathers, and he wanted to put in the constitution the issue about medical tyranny.
That’s where Rush Medical School comes from in Chicago.
But he was overruled by Thomas Jefferson.
Thomas Jefferson said, I don’t believe that this is important enough to put in the documents.
Lo and behold, 250 years later, Thomas Jefferson was wrong.
Benjamin Rush was right. And Benjamin Rush would’ve probably put a bullet in Fauci.
I mean, if you go back and read the things that Rush wrote about, he basically said, if the British government can do this over money and over God, he goes, can you imagine what they’re going to do when it comes to your health?
And this guy was brilliant.
And we as a country, I think need to realize it’s ok to get punched in the mouth once by the government, but we all need to come together.
Whether it’s left, right, middle, independent, no matter what it is, nobody should tell you what to do when it comes to your health. No one.
Ok, that’s not the government’s job. It’s your job.
'We as a country, I think need to realize it's ok to get punched in the mouth once by the government, but we all need to come together. Whether it's left, right, middle, independent, no matter what it is, nobody should tell you what to… Share on XIt’s what Abel does on his podcast. He’s like, “Look, I want you to do this. I want you to do that.”
Or same sh*t with me. I’m going to lead people to a path that I think will help them.
Ultimately, people are going to vote on Abel, they’re going to vote on Jack by if we’re popular.
Do they want to listen to us? Do they want to buy sh*t that we sell to them? And for me, it’s information. For you, I don’t know what you’re doing anymore.
Abel: Still trying to figure that out.
Dr. Jack Kruse: The key is I want people to understand that that’s what decentralization is.
It’s about freedom, it’s about liberty.
It’s about the pursuit of not only happiness, but also health.
And we all need to come together on that issue. That’s the real reason decentralization is important.
Abel: It’s following bigger laws than the ones that are currently in the books, which are being broken themselves.
Dr. Jack Kruse: It’s true.
Look, I’m going through, you would probably find this kind of interesting, I’m going through the same thing right now that I did with the Paleo community, with the Bitcoin community.
I’m actually teaching them, I always say this to them, I said, “You guys were smart that you got into Bitcoin really early, so you’re all financially well to do and well off.”
I said, “But all of you are still centralized in your biology. So you’re effectively Steve Jobs, you’re going to be 56 years old, a billionaire, and you’re going to be dead.”
I said, “Can you think about a worse legacy than Steve Jobs to have that much money?”
And I said, and get this, “His buddy that he’s always linked with at Microsoft, Paul Allen, is also dead.”
“The other guy who’s the architect of doom, who’s continuing to do that, took his money and is now trying to centralize biology further, that’s our friend Bill Gates, through vaccines.”
But the big one that I’m concerned about is he wants to block the sun.
Abel: Right.
Dr. Jack Kruse: And think about that kind of bullsh*t, dude.
Abel: Oh my God, this is why we need you, Jack.
Dr. Jack Kruse: Well, I look at it like this. When people understand that the sun, like Rick likes to call it the source, the source code on Earth.
I want everybody to know that the sun really is the power generator that you need to pay attention to. Melanin is how you collect that charge.
That’s not the only part of the story, because if you stay out all day but you party like a rockstar all night and play music and this and that, you’re going to wind up with a problem.
'The sun really is the power generator that you need to pay attention to. Melanin is how you collect that charge.” ― Dr. Jack Kruse @DrJackKruse Share on XAnd I don’t want to see that happen to people.
I want people to know that follow the 80-20 rule.
Do as much as you can during the day, but you need to do as much as you can at night so that you stay away from my profession.
I do not want people to go through the sausage grinder that they have to go through, and why?
Things that you may not realize from the last time you and I talked, I’m now starting to see kids 20 years old with diseases that used to show up in people who were 40, 50, 60, 70 years old.
You know, carotid disease, suicide, Alzheimer’s.
I’ve seen Alzheimer’s disease now on someone who is below 30 years old.
Abel: Really?
Dr. Jack Kruse: I would’ve never predicted that, but it was an IT professional who used to wear those things.
I saw the second person with Parkinson’s disease who worked in a Starbucks with that thing on their head for about 12 years.
So, I want people to know that you need to pay attention to these things.
It’s ok for you not to want to believe Uncle Jack. I’m fine with that.
I will direct you to multiple books because when I first met Abel, I couldn’t send him to any of those books because they weren’t written yet. I was writing the blogs about them.
Now, there’s books about this written by well-to-do scientists that you all would know, and when you see it for your own two eyes, you’ll go.
Abel: So, what is it specifically about the AirPods and the earbuds?
Is it the Bluetooth and the fact that there are two of them?
And I don’t wear these, I did a few years ago, a little bit, and I felt like something was off and it wasn’t quite right.
But I didn’t notice that it was immediately damaging in an obvious way.
So, how does that work with us? Because we’re not optimal when we have those in, pumping their juices out through our brains.
Dr. Jack Kruse: Well the effect is like anything else, it’s multifactorial, but I’ll give you the basics.
The first thing is, realize that they work on a frequency that’s 2.5 billion cycles per second.
So, I just want you to remember, the Schumann Resonance on Earth is 7.83 hertz.
So if you put those two together.
This is something else that I don’t think you probably know. I just recently wrote a blog called Quantum Engineering 47, 48. The blog is exactly the same. One is for the visual learner, the other one is for the science geek.
But basically, I just described the FM antenna that’s built into your brain.
You actually really have an FM antenna, works exactly the same way as an FM station in Austin.
It turns out two arms of the antenna one is the SCN, the other one is the size and shape of your ventricle system in your brain, ok.
So I lay all the science out so you can see it. So realize what I just told you.
You put one here and one here. You’re basically in between, right in between the antenna system.
So, you probably are too young to remember, but I guarantee if you ask your mom or dad when they used to drive in their car underneath the power line and they had an AM station on, what happened? It would sound all fuzzy and this and that, what we call white noise.
It’s the exact same thing as when you put those things in your head.
So, that means you lose the ability to tell where the earth is in relation to the sun.
Abel: Wow.
Dr. Jack Kruse: That’s what the FM Station is built to do in your own head.
That’s where the alpha wave comes from.
Why? Because, what’s the brain tissue that’s right around the ventricular system? It’s called the thalamus.
The thalamus is where the alpha wave comes from.
The alpha wave is designed to be 7.83 Hertz, which is exactly what the Schumann Resonance of the earth is.
And how does the Schumann Resonance the earth work? Complex, but very quickly, cathode ray from the sun hits the magnetosphere, magnetosphere absorbs all the energy, then shoots electric storms down to the earth.
The electric storms down to the earth create an effect, much like you do when you play your acoustic guitar.
So, the cavity between the magnetosphere and the surface of the earth is like the inside of your guitar, and that’s designed to be 7.83 Hertz. All life forms have to deal with that.
That’s the reason why the alpha wave in every single brain on this planet resonates at 7.83 Hertz.
So this is the basic antenna system that everything alive uses.
So, when you put something in between it, that’s the first problem.
Second problem is what I told you before, your cochlea, which looks like a seashell, has a huge sheet of melanin.
So, when you introduce non-native EMF, what does it do to your mitochondria and your biology?
First thing it does, it dehydrates you.
So let’s make sense of this.
Abel has had the opportunity to go on a plane, right, and be in the plane with 250 other idiots who are all using wifi, right? The plane’s made out of metal. So, effectively you basically are the piece of steak.
Remember the piece of steak I’m talking about is when you used to heat up that steak from coming home from a gig and you forgot to wrap it in wet paper towel. The steak tastes like shoe leather. You’ve had the experience that it dehydrates you.
What you forget is that you are also a piece of steak except you’re alive and your mitochondria makes water. Why? Because it reverses the process of photosynthesis.
Photosynthesis consumes water, we make it.
That’s actually the point that I was trying to make to Emily Deans a really long time ago, before she laughed at me.
So, here you see the boomerang coming back, hitting her right in the ass.
So if you don’t make enough water, you get dehydrated.
Do you think the FM radio station in your head is going to worked the same way?
Remember I told you, it’s filled with CSF. CSF comes from where? Water.
Where? In your blood. 93% of your blood is water. 99.7% of the CSF in that ventricular system is actually an ultra-filtrate of your blood.
So all of a sudden you start going, “Sh*t, this is now beginning to make some sense.”
But what happens? What’s the other effect with non-native EMF?
It degrades melanin.
So that’s when you have to look at all the slides. And I don’t know if you’ve seen my slides that I’ve done from probably 15 to now, I like to use this guy, Alexander, once a slide because he always shows you when you put tyrosine, phenylalanine on one side and it goes to melanin, noradrenaline, dopamine, all the basic neurotransmitters are made in your frontal lobes.
Melanin can be degraded into those things.
So people who are creative, and this is something that Rick learned and he really liked.
Creativity in humans actually isn’t a positive evolutionary effect. It’s actually a negative effect.
Why? Because you degrade melanin to make dopamine.
Creativity is a side effect of a lower dopamine.
So everybody knows that mental disorders, especially like depression, is tied to low dopamine.
What a lot of people don’t know is that high dopamine released chaotically is what schizophrenia is.
Now Rick’s book on creativity is about all the things in between there. Those are the people that Rick deals with.
So when I sit down with people, especially someone like you who’s a creative, and I explain to you, what I just said to you may sound offensive, that basically I’m saying, “Abel has more in common with people who have mental disorder.”
And that’s truly what creativity is. It’s actually a mental disorder because you’ve degraded melanin.
I’m going to prove to you that there’s something that you learned as a little boy that actually shows this effect, but you never realized it until I tell it to you.
When did cave paintings show up in human history? When humans began to live where?
In caves.
Let me ask you a question, Abel. Is there any light in caves?
Abel: Generally not.
Dr. Jack Kruse: There’s fire, right?
Abel: Sure.
Dr. Jack Kruse: But yet, that’s when humans decided to start writing that stuff on the wall.
And did that happen after the Neanderthals went extinct? It absolutely did.
So right then and there you begin to realize that the hominins that were actually much more advanced than us.
People don’t realize Neanderthals had 125 more grams of brain than we did. Hence the reason why Cro-Magnon man had that big huge skull.
But you’ll also notice that you don’t find any of those people above about the 40th latitude in terms of bones.
Why? Because it turned out they needed to have much higher levels of light to maintain the Ferrari engine in the head.
So why did Hominids take over? Because they are not as advanced.
In other words, there was a cognitive de-evolution that did occur.
And that cognitive de-evolution actually made us the more creative, silly talking monkey.
And we started to live inside in caves where there was less light. And we put artificial light at that time called fire, which actually created the system.
And guess what? We have continued on that path ever since.
Like this story isn’t 1893, my friend?
Now you’re beginning to understand maybe some of the crazy wisdom that I really had in my head when you first met me, that nobody was ready for.
Why I told you Loren Cordain and Boyd Eaton are literally, they’re 10,000 – 14,000 year look back, not good enough.
Totally not good enough to put this in the true evolutionary framework that it needs to be understood.
And when you see this for yourself and you examine it, you have a duty to say, “Ok, now I’m beginning to understand why Jack said these iPads and these iPods and these earbuds and all this stuff is a problem.”
Maybe now I’m beginning to understand why Prince made all of his best music when he was younger and he became a train wreck when he was older.
Because guess what? That’s equivalent to living in a cave and making more fire all the time. It’s exactly the same story.
And the only thing now is that the frequencies that we’re using ruin the FM antenna and they degrade melanin on the inside.
And see, you just got finished hearing that story, Abel, about the degradation of the melanin on the inside and the implications of what that causes.
And it turns out, you now are the silly talking monkey that gets to see all the other silly talking monkeys around you who have fallen apart.
Now, you may have the vision that Uncle Jack had 12 years ago when we first met, and why I was so concerned about all of you.
Why? I didn’t want you to become like the public has become now.
They are being killed by heart disease and neurodegeneration at record rates, and it’s happening much faster than anybody believes.
While the addiction to technology, which is causing the problem, is actually rapidly increasing.
Just think about from the time you and I first met and the use of technology in music alone, just to listen to music, think about how it’s changed just in those 12 years.
That change is probably more rapid than what the change was around light in 1879 or 1893.
So now you can see why Uncle Jack was a little concerned, why Uncle Jack’s mouth is in a bakery.
I don’t think we have the time to bullsh*t around with this anymore because we are rapidly falling apart, my friend.
And if you think that eating a steak or eating a vegan diet or going carnivore is going to solve this non-visual photoreceptor problem that we really got, you are going to wind up in a coffin and you’re not going to participate.
You are going to be this version of Steve Jobs, and I don’t want that.
I want guys like you, guys like Rick Rubin, guys like Jack Dorsey, you know, my friends, my patients, to get this message out to people that we need to be smarter about the things we do.
But make no illusions here, I’m not trying to tell you that you need to go completely away from technology.
If we did, you and I wouldn’t be talking now probably 5,000 miles away, me at the top of the world and you like right in the middle of it, and having this update after 12 years to discuss some of these things.
But the sad part for me is you learned about me because of all the leptin stuff, you learned about me because of the cold thermogenesis stuff.
But you left me before you actually had to ask me the question about melanin and what’s the story, why is that leptin-melanocortin thing there?
“I never got that part, Jack, tell me. Is that the part that’s really important? Is that the part that we’re kind of missing?”
Are we not paying attention to the whole story because we want to make sure Chris Kresser gets people to do labs on everybody that don’t matter. That is really the crux of the issue.
It’s about getting the whole story, about swallowing the whole kahuna so that then we can come on your podcast and say, “Hey, let’s talk about how these things that I put in my ear, I knew something was off about them, but I just didn’t know what, and now you’re kind of telling me what the what is.”
And you go back and go, “What else am I doing right now that could actually be hurting me from being the music man that I want to be? What else could I do, Jack, that you helped Rick with, or Dorsey with or any of my farm members?”
“What else should be on my radar that’s not, and it’s not on my radar because I’m believing a bunch of bullsh*t that I shouldn’t believe?”
What do we call that? We call that via negativa. Subtract the unnecessary. We have a word for that. Superfluous.
Think about the things that matter.
Think about the things that we started this podcast with.
The value is in light, the value is in temperature.
Understand how those two simple little things control some of the most amazing things that create life in us.
When you realize just how cool and how absurd nature is, you’ll sit back in your chair, fall back, open a bottle of wine and go, “Holy smokes.”
'When you realize just how cool and how absurd nature is, you'll sit back in your chair, fall back, open a bottle of wine and go, 'Holy smokes.'' ― Dr. Jack Kruse @DrJackKruse Share on XI mean this is the story of a lifetime.
And this is a story that I want every single mammal who listens to this podcast, I’m still to this very day, I kid you not, 20 years later, I still haven’t found a story that fascinates me more than this story.
Because it’s the story of us.
Like when I talk to you and have this update, when I think about what you’ve been doing, I’m thinking about, because I know you’re probably like, “Dude, you talked to Rick Rubin,” and you’re a music guy.
I want you to know that even Rick uses this stuff, and he doesn’t have to know the science, but he is all in.
When I tell you, dude, he is an all-in mammal, he is, he’s that guy.
He wants to question everything though. And I never would’ve thought in a million years that it would’ve been the boomers or the older people that actually woke up quicker.
Like, I’m still stunned about Jack Dorsey.
But Dorsey, when I sat down with him, with my members at the Bitcoin Miami event, you know what he told me?
He said, “Jack, just keeping doing what you’re doing.”
He goes, “Everybody has told you you’re wrong.”
He goes, “Keep doing what you’re doing. Don’t stop.”
And it actually resonated with me big time because I haven’t stopped anyway.
I mean, when people tell me I’m wrong, just, “Let’s go, bro. Let’s have it out.”
But the problem is, I don’t think people are curious enough, Abel, for the truth anymore.
I think they’re just curious enough so that they can have their Netflix, their lattes and live the life they want to live.
'The problem is, I don't think people are curious enough for the truth anymore.' ― Dr. Jack Kruse @DrJackKruse Share on XAbel: They want to know all of the truth right now and just have it be something that they can accept in the gestalt. But that’s not how the truth works.
And you’re a seeker, you’re willing to blow the paradigm up to find something that’s a little bit closer to the whole truth.
And I don’t know why, but a lot of people in science, even some creatives and certainly just the average Joe and Jane, they’re wired that way.
They want the whole answer, they want to believe that that’s the whole answer, and no one’s going to make them budge after that.
And that’s only gotten worse since, in the decade since we’ve caught up.
I mean, that’s from a population level and just the way that people interact with each other now, it seems like that’s gotten a lot worse.
Maybe it’s some of the censorship and shadowbanning and people see how anyone who sticks out from the crowd gets immediately ridiculed, or, I don’t know, they blew up my Instagram account two years ago. I’m not allowed to be on there.
And why?
I don’t know, because I ask questions. Isn’t that how I built my career doing podcasting? It’s like that’s not encouraged to the degree that it was when I was coming up in education.
That was what education was for.
And so we need people like you out there blowing up the paradigm and at least asking some questions.
You’re not saying, “I’m absolutely 110% correct about all these things,” you’re simply asking questions and looking at pathways and trying to build something new and more appropriate paradigm.
Dr. Jack Kruse: Do you remember, I know I’m interrupting you right now, but I’m going to tell you, do you remember the last time we did a podcast?
You coined a term that I loved. I actually still use it to this day.
Abel: Directionally accurate.
Dr. Jack Kruse: You said, “Jack, I think you’re directionally accurate.” Dude.
Abel: I heard you used that on the Rubin Podcast.
Dr. Jack Kruse: Right. And I will never forget that you are the one that coined that.
So I want to give you credit right now, because I’ll never forget when you said it and I was like, you know that really resonated with me because I can’t tell you that everything I believe is a 100% true.
But I can tell you this, I’m a lot more accurate than the guys that are selling you food and exercise stories.
That I know for sure.
So I’m going to make fun of them all the time, all the way until somebody punches me in the mouth, until nature gets the right cross.
Like, somebody tells me that nature doesn’t work the way she works, then I’ll shut my pie hole.
But I love the fact that you said that, and it’s so crazy that 12 years later it’s still apropos.
Abel: Yeah, maybe even more so because the modern internet, social media, it doesn’t like that wiggle room at all.
It has to be one extreme or the other.
And they need to just root down and believe that extreme, the carnivore or the vegan, there’s nothing in between.
And that’s not how any of this actually works.
But maybe I’ve heard you say a few other things that shocked me, especially about professional athletes these days.
We see kids breaking down before they ever have before earlier, getting disease and disregulation.
But also professional athletes aren’t durable like they were before.
When you grew up and even when I was coming up, I remember athletes being built of steel, never falling apart and that has completely changed in the past few years, especially.
Dr. Jack Kruse: Yeah, I just did a podcast with two trainers, but I used the analogy, like when I was playing baseball, Nolan Ryan and Tom Seaver, they always struck out over 300 guys, but they pitched over 300 innings. They were machines.
Today, you have like guys like Jacob deGrom, he’s been just injury after injury after injury.
In the NBA, they’re all talking about, “Well, we only should play 60 games.”
Abel: That’s ridiculous.
Dr. Jack Kruse: Then you look at the NFL, I follow a couple teams.
I’ll give you an example that, right now, is probably the biggest mismatch.
Everybody is talking about how the Tennessee Titans are going to get buried.
You know what everybody forgets? Last year, they were in first place, their team got completely injured.
They had to lose seven straight games for the Jaguars to win that division. And without the injuries, they win the AFC South by five games.
So NFL GMs now need to look at the redox state of the people they draft.
And I’ve pointed this out. I’ve written blogs about, I’ll give you the first guy because I’m thinking about the ones long time ago.
Kevin White who was drafted, he was out of West Virginia, first round receiver that the Bears took.
I said, “If you draft this kid and you draft him to a high latitude team, you’re going to have a problem.”
Second guy was Marshon Lattimore for the Saints. He was top cornerback in his draft, but he missed a year in college because of soft tissue and hamstring injuries.
And I’m like, he’s basically telling you that his redox power is not good for the 40th latitude or above. So don’t draft him.
He was fortunate he went to the Saints.
So this year I’m making a prediction.
I’ve done it on another podcast, but I’m going to do it on yours.
Kid from Ohio State, Jaxon Njigba, he’s a wide receiver. He went, I think picked 21, 22. But he went to Seattle. He will not pan out. Mark my words.
Why? He missed a full season just like Lattimore did at Ohio State.
So basically, what has he told us? He’s not going to do too well at that high latitude.
There’s so many other people out there that have that issue in sports now, but nobody’s putting the link together.
And this is probably the final one. The sports stuff that I’ll give you because I think you’ll dig this.
If you look at the top 20 rushing list in the NFL, you’ll notice that 19 out of 20, all these guys were from low latitude.
Like, you think about the top guy, Emmitt Smith, where does he come from? Pensacola, Florida. Where did he go to school? Florida.
Ok, that’s 28th Latitude.
Walter Payton, Jackson State, Mississippi, 30th Latitude.
The only guy on the list that breaks the rules is John Riggins. And do you know why he actually technically didn’t break the list?
When he got drafted out of Kansas by the Jets, the first part of his career, he wasn’t all that good because he played with Namath.
Later in his career, he becomes a wild man, goes to the Caribbean and starts dating all these women from the south and lives down there.
Then he becomes the tank. He becomes a monster later in his career.
Nobody has put together because he spent almost all of his off seasons down in low latitude living.
The story is there right in front of you.
I told people the year that Adrian Peterson tore his ACL, he spent the whole year in Texas using red light to heal the ACL.
He comes back and runs for 2000 yards.
Where’d he go to school? Oklahoma. Where is he from? Texas.
So the story even about light, my friend, is there but it goes to what I was trying to tell you about your job and your profession with this music.
Pay attention.
The story is right there, it’s still there, the circadian biology story is strong.
Abel: So just to connect the dots a little bit, being lower latitude allows people to intentionally or not spend a lot more time working out outside and getting exposure to the sun.
Whereas people who are up north are kind of trapped inside, even if they’re still pumping iron and doing sprints or what have you, they’re not getting that fuel.
Dr. Jack Kruse: Yeah, I don’t want anybody to work out indoors.
Like if you’re working out under blue light, you are absolutely doing exercise wrong.
Which is part of the reason why I’ve been a huge fan of Erwan Le Corre from the get-go.
'If you're working out under blue light, you are absolutely doing exercise wrong.' ― Dr. Jack Kruse @DrJackKruse Share on XAbel: Yeah, me too.
Dr. Jack Kruse: This guy is the one guy that’s got an exercise right from day one.
So I want people to not exercise under blue light because what does blue light do?
It makes you hypoxic. It’s crazy to exercise in a gym this way.
But the other big issue is that I want people to understand, what does technology do?
Technology brings us inside too, and that’s a big problem with technology.
So I think the amount of outdoor time that we all get as silly talking monkeys now is not as good as it should be.
And I think that we need to advocate for that far more than we probably do when we do our work or you do podcasts and things like that.
Abel: Yeah, and just something anecdotally that I’ve noticed in nature is animals going out and dosing sun.
For example, I have a 11 year old Labrador retriever who’s trying to get in the door right now, and she goes out in the sun no matter where we live. Multiple parts of the day, but usually as soon as she wakes up, wants to go right outside, lay down in sunshine.
It doesn’t matter if it’s 108 degrees in Austin or if we’re up living in Colorado and it’s below zero. This happens every day, she’s been doing it for 11 plus years and it’s like clockwork.
And so why is that so natural for animals to do, but not humans?
Why can’t we start to build this into our actual schedules and realize that it matters?
Dr. Jack Kruse: Well, Abel, the funny thing is the fact that you’re asking me this.
This is exactly what I told you in the beginning of the podcast. I want you to go back and listen to your own podcast.
Abel: Ok.
Dr. Jack Kruse: Wild animals, dude, wild animals, all their non-visual photoreceptors are completely attuned to nature, my friend.
Remember, and I’ve told you this when I met you. We are the only mammal that uses these two things to break the laws of nature. This is our problem.
Wild animals don’t have the ability to do that.
Like, when you came out of your mother, you were just like the monkey. You were just like the alligator, you were just like the hippo.
You didn’t have clothes on, you didn’t have sunscreen on, you didn’t have sunglasses on.
I mean, can you imagine if we saw Secretariat running on the track with sunglasses on?
Or think about what some people are doing to their dogs now, putting blankets on them when they’re outside.
What dog needs a blanket? Truthfully, what animal needs a blanket?
Like do the wolves in Yellowstone Park need to have any type of blankets or heating devices around them?
No, but they do it.
Or the best one, my favorite one that I used back when you and I were in the same community. Polar bears.
Abel: Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse: Polar bears go right in the water and then don’t have a problem.
Why? Because what do they do?
They eat so much fish loaded with DHA, they reject the cold. That electric current that they have allows them.
Everybody thinks, “Oh, it’s their fur.”
Have you ever gone into that springs, what is it, Barton Springs down in Austin?
Abel: Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse: With your clothes on when it’s windy out? Are you colder or warmer than if you were buck ass naked?
You’re going to find out that the cold coat actually makes you colder.
Abel: Right.
Dr. Jack Kruse: Ok, the wetness. Everybody thinks the fur keeps them, that’s not even the answer.
Turns out, the higher electric charge from the DHA. Why is that the case? DHA has the electrons.
You need the electrons to absorb light.
Remember that’s the photoelectric effect. That’s that non-parsimonious law that Richard Nikoley laughed at.
Dude, that’s the key.
That’s the reason why wild animals can do the sh*t they do.
And it’s also the reason why silly talking monkeys that do stuff they’re not supposed to do, yet they get hammered.
Our whole civilization, dude, is built on civilized centralized ideas.
I need people to get a little bit more rewild.
Like I want to see Abel play all of his stuff on acoustic guitars during the day with a bunch of people out there the way it used to be.
When I was young, we used to go to concerts during the day, dude.
This whole nighttime thing, that started in the 70s. That’s not how it was in the 50s and 60s, just so you know that.
Abel: Yeah, well even Dylan at Woodstock going electrified for the first time, it wasn’t a good response from the crowd when this started to happen in the world of music.
And obviously, it’s only gotten worse and worse.
One of the things that has changed in the past 5 or 10 years is that musicians went from listening with their ears on stage or throwing on cans like they did sometimes with the headphones.
They switched from that to going to in-ears.
And so probably not a whole lot different from the Apple AirPod situation.
But anecdotally a lot of my friends who work in music professionally say that a lot of problems started happening with ears when they made that switch.
And it’s something that they can’t opt out of in a lot of cases, especially the bigger the touring act is you have to have these in-ears going on.
And so tinnitus is a big one.
But what most of them said as well is that once you get used to a level that you can hear the other instruments that are pumped through those earbuds in your ears, you have to, or you have the tendency of turning it up.
It’s not enough volume over the course of time. It doesn’t function the same way.
So you have to keep turning it up, keep turning it up, to the point of hearing damage.
And so that’s a big problem in that industry and I imagine a lot of others right now that doesn’t seem to be being corrected in any way.
It’s only really getting worse and more and more people are doing this.
Dr. Jack Kruse: Yeah, Rick actually made an interesting point in his book. I don’t know if you’ve read it, but you’ll enjoy it.
He actually reiterated to me when we were doing the podcast, that the sound of a bass drum actually is above human frequency.
And he goes, the reason it has a huge effect on people is that it still resonates because of the cavities that are inside us.
But also water still responds to that even though we can’t hear that frequency.
Abel: You can feel it, not hear it, right?
Dr. Jack Kruse: Right. And he said, bass drums are ridiculously important. Because he made a comment to me when he and I met, I don’t know, 10 or 15 years ago.
We had lunch with, I think it was David Wolf. He was trying to convince David Wolf not to be vegan and he made a comment about AC/DC and Metallica and how the bass drum was different.
And I wanted to interrupt right there and explain to Rick why that was happening, because it was a melanin effect.
But of course I didn’t want to ruin the moment while Rick was schooling Wolf.
Ultimately, it didn’t work, obviously, but it’s tied to the story that you just said about the bass drum and the effect of melanin in the ear.
That there’s still effects of sound that are above our ability to actually hear them, but still plays a role.
And that study of Physics that you would be interested in is actually the study called Cymatics.
And Cymatics actually controls morphology and shape.
And here’s where the Physics comes in.
Turns out that sound waves are controlled mostly by magnetic fields. Just so you know that. That was proven in 2015 at Ohio State University.
But the real big thing that people don’t understand is that size and shape changes actually are a proxy for thermal dynamic changes.
This is why we see sound can have a huge effect on mitochondrial fission and fusion, even in certain people.
This is the reason why certain music actually plays a healing role in some people and why other music doesn’t, especially when they have non-visual photoreceptor damage.
'Sound can have a huge effect on mitochondrial fission and fusion.' ― Dr. Jack Kruse @DrJackKruse Share on XAnd I know you’re a big guy into that stuff, you know about music and the brain and how it all works.
So I think, hopefully, you learn a little bit more about how size and shape changes, changes morphology and it’s tied to music.
Because I really do believe that music is healing and I think the type of music that you really like actually is a proxy for your mitochondrial redox and your heteroplasmy.
I actually believe there’s information there that clinicians probably miss because they don’t even realize that these relationships exist.
'I really do believe that music is healing and I think the type of music that you really like actually is a proxy for your mitochondrial redox and your heteroplasmy.' ― Dr. Jack Kruse @DrJackKruse Share on XAbel: Yeah. Well, as you’ve mentioned in your work, music affects the coherence of water and it affects the very cells in our body.
Whether we’re talking about very low frequencies or very high, we are sensing them kind of like light in a lot of ways.
And they’re affecting us whether we realize it or not.
Otherwise, we wouldn’t see music be so pervasive throughout our society. It’s everywhere.
The quality of it has degraded to the point that really bums me out sometimes. I’m surprised by that development, in the past 5 or 10 years or so.
But thankfully there still are a lot of people who are audiophiles and go for the analog. They know that it matters and listen on old school cans and old school headphones instead of the newfangled stuff.
Frankly, one of the reasons I never really got into using Bluetooth is because it degrades the quality to my ears. It doesn’t work, it doesn’t do the same thing that when you look into Cymatics, some of those things would be able to do.
I bet if you set up some instrumentation, you would get different shapes from the different frequencies, even if it’s the same song because it’s an approximation, a digital approximation of something that otherwise in an analog world is kind of coming from the natural world itself, or at least more so.
Dr. Jack Kruse: I totally agree. I hope that these things make some changes with some of the musicians that are out there.
I know Rick really pays attention to that stuff. He refuses to put different things in and around his head.
I don’t know if you saw the recent thing he did on CNN with Anderson Cooper, and you could see Anderson Cooper’s head explode when Rick said, “Look, I feel the music.”
And Anderson Cooper is like, “People pay you millions of dollars and that’s actually what you want to give as the answer.”
And it was just so interesting to see that he could not understand that because Anderson Cooper is, he’s a machine for the centralized paradigm.
And he just is so foreign to how Rick, Rick is a zen master. He is totally decentralized, not only in his biology, but also in how he does his job.
And I love that about him. That’s part of the reason why he is one of my guys.
How Humans Can Optimize Function within the Laws of Nature
Abel: It’s so cool. So, specifically, what did you tell him to do?
Because like you said, he’s not that interested in the science of how that works necessarily, but going out and walking 90 minutes in the morning, am I understanding that right? That’s like pretty much every day.
Dr. Jack Kruse: Yeah. Well, on the beach I want him grounded all the time.
And the other big thing like, post-surgery that he had is the use of Methylene Blue.
The reason for that is it changes the oxidation state of the red blood cells in his body and they keep it so that he doesn’t degrade the melanin in his cochlea.
Because that was the big risk when you have heart surgery and you have to go on bypass, basically your red blood cells are really, really at risk.
And this is the reason why stroke is a risk, blood clot’s a risk.
It was the same thing that happened through COVID.
People don’t realize that the problem with smell and taste actually was due to melanin destruction at the ethmoid plate. That’s the reason why it happened. And the thing is, Methylene Blue would’ve helped a lot of those people right then and there.
But of course, you couldn’t even talk about Ivermectin, nevermind Methylene Blue.
'Methylene Blue would've helped a lot of those people right then and there. But of course, you couldn't even talk about Ivermectin, nevermind Methylene Blue.' ― Dr. Jack Kruse @DrJackKruse Share on XBut that’s the main driver of why it works.
Plus, remember that he works in environments that are not idealized. So there’s a benefit to him.
Also, he suffers from the same affliction that I have, which is age.
So we’re already working on our seventh decade, and it turns out, if you know anything about quantum biology, you need more sunlight as you get older, not less.
'If you know anything about quantum biology, you need more sunlight as you get older, not less.' ― Dr. Jack Kruse @DrJackKruse Share on XSo in order to keep your red blood cells working perfectly, because what is your red blood cell effectively?
It’s a wireless communication device that connects you from the sun to your mitochondria.
'What is your red blood cell effectively? It's a wireless communication device that connects you from the sun to your mitochondria.' ― Dr. Jack Kruse @DrJackKruse Share on XThat’s really what it is.
It is the wireless connection that you need to keep pristine and optimized. That was really the major issue.
And the walking on the beach thing is a way for you to get free electrons, as you walk.
Why? Because we’re the only mammal on the planet that has eccrine sweat glands in our feet and our hands.
So you remember back in the day when I told people, “Eat like a great white shark but live like a polar bear and then make like the Sphynx.”
The reason I said that is because when you ground, you get these free electrons.
Electrons are how you capture light. So it was always about redox charge, but I said all these things without telling you the science.
I would come up with this and you guys in the Paleo community you’d be like, you never asked me the questions you should have asked me. “Why are you advocating this?”
Because then, I think you would’ve begin to understand that this really was about increasing the net negative charge in your body.
And that’s effectively all the things that I’ve taught Rick, that I want him to focus in on increasing the net negative charge in his body and minimizing the positive charge.
And, most people know that that is hydrogen protons, that’s the pH scale. Most people understand pH and that stuff by log scale of protons.
That’s kind of like the world that Matt Lalonde and Robb Wolf used to operate in, but that’s where they stop.
They never got to the next level, which is the level where light actually controls all this.
Because to balance out the positive charge of a proton you’ve got to have an electron, and that electron can be excited by light and you offset that light like a ferry boat to the proteins in your body.
And, that’s the story of melanin, that’s the story of melatonin, it’s the story of serotonin.
We could talk about all those different things, but I don’t think that stuff for this podcast is really important.
And just want your people to get a framework of why I’m saying what I’m saying so that when they listen to the Rubin podcast or they listen to this podcast, because I think, this podcast is going to break down some of the things that we said in the Rubin Podcast and it’ll makes sense to people.
And ultimately, you want it to make sense because you want to see people take some actionable points from this and say, “Ok, what can I do?”
And I would tell you, grounding is one of the things you can do.
Just make sure you ground in a correct place, you know that doesn’t have underground power lines in it, or things that are not grounded so it’ll affect you.
And also for you to understand how to improve the charge in your body, to offset the choices that you have to make in your life.
You being in the music business and me being a neurosurgeon.
Abel: So talking about electric current, plants have DC electric current and there’s a disconnect between the way that animal eaters and plant eaters think about this—humans I’m talking about here—and a lot of vegans and vegetarians, and I used to be way back in the day as well.
I thought it was very noble because you’re eating something that’s not conscious, or at least it doesn’t feel pain. Turns out, that’s not true.
Animals and plants are more connected.
Animals are driven by the sun or plants are driven by the sun, certainly through photosynthesis.
What about animals? Why wouldn’t they be affected by it?
Maybe you can rant on that a little bit.
Dr. Jack Kruse: Yeah, it’s a ridiculous position that the vegans hold because neither one of them seemed to know the basic work that was laid out in The Body Electric by Robert Becker
Becker talked about this. Remember Becker’s not the one that found the DC electric current plants.
You know who that was? That was a guy named Aaron Burr. Not Aaron Burr. Aaron Burr was the guy that got shot by Thomas Jefferson’s guy, Alexander Hamilton. But his name was Burr, he was at Yale University. He was a researcher that’s in Becker’s book that he talked about.
And that’s actually how caterpillars, when they bite the leaf, the electric signal allows the plant to heal.
That exact same signal is in every animal.
So you may say plants aren’t conscious, but they are absolutely conscious of what’s going on in their environment and they use this analog system to do it.
So for someone to use the idea that being vegan is somehow a more moral position is ludicrous from a quantum biologic perspective.
Everything on this planet is predatory at one level.
I mean, just think about evolution. We have extinction events.
I tell people this all the time when I do podcasts, not everybody’s going to get my message, Abel, and I’m ok with that because that’s how evolution works, you know.
If you want to continue and do the things that David Wolf tells you to do, knock yourself out. But you’re just not going to be part of my tribe and I’m not going to focus in on you.
I’m not going to try to change your position.
It’s kind of like when I listen to music, like if I listen to The Stones, I’m going to turn it off because I f*@king hate The Stones. I just change the channel.
No, there’s a couple of Stone songs that I like, I’ll leave them on for that.
But ultimately that band just doesn’t resonate with my central nervous system.
Well, vegans don’t resonate with my beliefs in and around quantum biology.
In fact, I think they’re doing many things wrong and I can sit down and have a cogent discussion with them.
The first one being that we happen to have the most complex FM radio station in our head. And the circadian mechanism is based in around the eye clock.
That eye clock is in the Retinalhypothalamic pathway. It has more DHA in it than any part of the human brain.
Actually and that’s true in every mammal.
Well, guess what? If you eat a vegan diet, you’re never getting the amount in there.
So what does that mean? You’re walking around the planet with a suprachiasmatic nucleus that doesn’t work well.
And then, I already told you one of the big stories, probably an hour and a half hour, 45 minutes ago that B12 was a photoreceptor in humans.
Well, what do you know that vegans have a problem with? B12.
Shocker.
So if you’re going to eat in a way that is not based around how your Ferrari engine up here works, because remember the difference between us and Huberman cephalopods, this is version 1,150,000. Ok.
You’re not a cephalopod, you’re not a nematode.
And you need to realize that. You need to be smart enough to understand that you have other needs and requirements in you that eating a vegan diet or a vegetarian diet is not wise.
Now it doesn’t mean you can’t get away doing it for a long time.
We saw that for 5,000 years, people in Southern India were able to do it.
But guess what? People in Southern India used to be constantly outside, no non-native EMF, always in the sun, grounded.
Now, in the last 25 years since Google and Facebook moved all their stuff over there, they have created the most diabetics in the world combined.
Abel: Wow.
Dr. Jack Kruse: Most people don’t even know that.
180 million people have become diabetic in vegetarian India because we brought non-native EMF to their shores. Go figure that sh*t out.
Abel: So talking about quantum, there are a few quandaries for people, especially in mainstream centralized medicine.
When you tell a few of the stories that I’d love to hear once more on this show specifically about the heart transplant and McDonald’s french fries.
You have a few anecdotes like that that are absolutely fascinating.
Dr. Jack Kruse: Yeah, well, I’ve got a lot of them. I just decided to drop that one in that podcast because I have to tell you that for me as a neurosurgeon put me in a state of disbelief.
And that’s when I realized that there had to be an explanation behind it.
To be honest with you, I’m very interested in the explanation, and what I was trying to get across to Huberman at that time with the heart transplant, is that realize that our organs are imprinted by energies and information that happen in our life.
And even when we transplant them into another body, those things persist.
So when people go to a funeral and cry, don’t cry, because it turns out that that person really still is alive. Their energy is still out there. It’s just in such a random form that you don’t see it.
And it turns out because this kid was imprinted by his death, this lady had an intense need for McDonald’s french fries, and this is something that she never ate and she couldn’t figure out why.
And when she came to me, because she knew that I was the neurosurgeon that pronounced the kid brain dead, that was about the only thing the hospital would tell her, she didn’t know anything else about the kid.
I was stunned when I heard the story, because I actually knew how the kid died, because he came to me from the drive-through after he got T-boned.
And I didn’t know how to answer her. Like I had to look for the mechanism myself.
I said, just like I said to Huberman in the podcast, “There’s no coincidences in nature.”
Things happen for a reason and it’s our job instead of just saying, “Oh, it’s this or that.” I wanted to know what it was and it didn’t dawn on me until probably about 2009 when Luc Montagnier did some of the work that he did around the water.
Because everybody thought Montagnier was crazy after he got the Nobel Prize for finding the AIDS vaccine, or I should say the AIDS virus.
He started to do some really cool things around water, why?
Because one of his centralized friends got canceled by centralized science who worked in water, and his name was Jacques Benveniste. And Benveniste basically got outed by the guys at Nature.
They basically tried to say he was a quack.
And what Benveniste found in his research was the basis of why, what I saw about this heart transplant and this recipient happened.
And it turned out that we imprint our life energies on water. And what happens when light hits water? Water gets more coherent domains.
'We imprint our life energies on water.' ― Dr. Jack Kruse @DrJackKruse Share on XWhat does that mean in English? Because I don’t want to talk over your listeners, means you have more electrons in certain parts of the water network in there.
And when you have more electrons in that part, that means it absorbs more light.
So I’ve already told you in the Huberman podcast that we create light endogenously.
So what I think happened at the time with the kid, is that he knew that this was a big event in his life, he released massive amounts of light to the water that was actually in the heart.
When he went on to brain death, this stayed there in holographic way, just the way a magnetic tape drive works in a computer.
And when the organ was harvested by the trauma surgeon, some of the data clearly was lost, but not all of it was lost.
Even though the tissue is disconnected from the host, the information was recoverable by the recipient.
And the way in which I think it was recovered by the recipient was through the transfer of water from his body and her body.
And do I believe that the system, fundamentally, that happened was what I said to you earlier, that FM radio station in her brain between the suprachiasmatic nucleus and the thalamus is all water network. The CSF is 100% water.
So do I believe that she was sampling some of that in this antenna and she was picking it up.
It’s kind of like, you know how like when you’re in a radio station and you pick up a radio station in between and you go, “Wow, I just heard somebody talking somewhere else.”
You’ve probably seen movies like that. We see that there, but we don’t accept it in the story that I shared with Huberman and Rick. But it’s exactly the same mechanism.
The physics is well known, the problem is it just stuns our centralized belief paradigms that things like this can happen.
So it gives you, I think, a different take on how you look at kids, because I think your kid is kind of like an organ transplant.
I actually think, love, I think sex is the same way.
I think when you think about sex when you use protection and sex when you don’t, is also very similar to this story.
I actually don’t believe you can have good sex when you’re using protection because there’s not a proper light transfer going on.
Abel: It cuts off the electromagnetics as well, right?
Dr. Jack Kruse: Absolutely. There’s no question.
Remember rubber is an insulator and we don’t even think about that because we’re focused on, ok, we don’t want to have a baby.
Forget about talking about birth control pills and all that other stuff, that’s even a bigger electromagnetic problem.
But the point is, I think this resonates in that story when you realize fundamentally what water’s doing.
Because remember I always told you it comes down to light, water, magnetism.
Water is how you imprint the electromagnetic environment into your cell, and then many other things happen to that so that you can decipher the message.
I think when you think about it from that framework, the story becomes less sensational, and it becomes actually more, not only scientific, but I think it becomes more curious.
Because then you start to think about how things are transferred in the world.
Think about wild animals, like how dogs will pee on a fire hydrant and then like all the dogs keep peeing on the fire hydrant.
What they’re doing is the exact same thing. The electromagnetic energies of that dog is in his pee and animals do this all the time, but we don’t think we can.
Well, I got bad news for everybody listening to this, you’re a f*@king animal, ok.
You’re a very specialized mammal that can do things, just like they can, and you need to pay attention to that stuff.
Abel: Let’s talk a little bit more about water and specifically why you don’t want certain things in it, like fluoride, for example, and how iodine plays into this as well.
I want to make sure we cover that a little bit.
Dr. Jack Kruse: Yeah, Fluoride is a simple one. Fluoride is the most electronegative atom on the periodic table.
So what does that do? What does it mean? It steals electrons.
So if you steal electrons from water based on what we just said, should be no shocker why you never want to use fluoride.
Why? Because it means that your water has lost the ability to imprint light information and energy in it.
Therefore, there’s not going to be good information transfer in your body, that’s the fundamental reason why.
What else does it do? It’s what I told Huberman is that, and this was on a Twitter feed, that fluoride also makes you hypoxic.
So it actually creates less water in your mitochondria.
So anything that makes you hypoxic changes Cytochrome1 and that’s where NAD+ and NADH cycle.
So what does that mean? It means the engines in the mitochondria don’t work as good.
So think about your car. If somebody was to pour maple syrup into your carburetor, do you think your car would work as good? The answer is no. You actually need more oxygen.
So those are all the reasons why fluoride really are bad.
Iodine happens to be halogen, but the atomic mass of iodine is massive, much, much different. So it acts as a much different halogen than fluoride.
It’s not as electronegative and it turns out it has another unique ability.
It brings protons closer together, it’s called the Grotthuss mechanism.
And we just talked about how CSF in your body is created as an ultra-filtrate from blood. Turns out the choroid plexus that makes CSF, also enriches the CSF with iodine.
So that you can also bring more proton conduction in water in your brain, which is something else we use, not something that I really talked about in the Huberman podcast.
But what other tissues in the body do you know that Iodine is used?
Thyroid gland is a big one. Thyroid links directly to the melanin store because of that slide I told you before. T3 and T4 can be made directly from melanin if you degrade it.
So this is the reason why I always told people, even if you had your thyroid cut out, there’s still hope for you if you understand how this process works.
And the other big tissue that it’s in is in breasts, especially human breasts for women.
Most women that have fibrocystic disease in their breasts where you can’t even touch them, it’s because they’re iodine deficient. We commonly see it today in women who are vegan or vegetarian.
I famously always tell the story, when I was in medical school, I think I was a 3rd year medical student.
And ladies used to come in and volunteer to have exams done because they’d get paid to do that.
And the lady that I had the day we were doing the breast exam had massive breasts, and she told the doctor, he was an 80 year old doctor at the time, because he was retired.
And he said, “I got a trick that will work to help you be able to tolerate four students learning how to do a breast exam.”
So he asked us to step out of the room and he came back in 15 minutes later, we were all able to fondle this woman with no problems, learn how to do a breast exam properly.
And I pulled him aside, I’m like, “Dude, what did you do in that 15 or 20 minutes?”
He goes, “Well, I just went in and I put Lugol solution right on her nipple and we just left it on there for 15 or 20 minutes.”
And he goes, “I talked to her and she said that she had problems eating fish or was allergic at some level or food intolerant,” and he goes, “I knew that that was the problem so I did that.”
And I just looked at him and I’m like, “Dude, that’s like ancient wisdom, why aren’t you teaching us sh*t like that?”
Abel: Yeah.
Dr. Jack Kruse: And I never forgot the lesson, so that when women come up to me now and I do consults, I tell them about this.
I’m like, “Look, you need more seaweed, you need more marine shellfish in your life.”
I even tell them to make the seafood broths out of the chiton that’s on shrimps or lobsters or crawfish, things like that.
But you can also use Lugols to do it. The problem is Lugols can be really toxic for women’s either vaginal mucosa or their breasts, because, believe it or not, this also helps sexual health for women as well, especially as they get older.
And those are the kind of things that you pick up when you’re paying attention down the road. So the Grotthuss mechanism is important for how apocrine glands work, how your brain works, how CSF works and really how your thyroid works.
And these are quantum mechanical principles.
The reason why bringing protons together matters, it means that they can entangle much more easily.
The further they are and apart from an angstrom basis means it’s much more difficult to undergo quantum entanglement.
And entanglement we now know is a process that happens in mammals and even in birds.
We’re finding out a lot more about that, and the reason why it’s the most important thing, I think you’re going to find out in the next 10 years, that this is actually how DNA functionally works.
You change proton tunneling on the base pairs, and this is actually what causes changes in the DNA code.
It’s not the way Watson and Crick said it happened, although I will give Watson and Crick some credit, they were the people in their original paper in ’53, that made the comment that DNA seemed to be an electromagnetic antenna, that probably worked through some process of proton tunneling.
That was lost by most people when they read the paper, especially in centralized science.
But we now know a pretty famous biophysicist named Jim Al-Khalili at the University of Surrey is now doing experiments in the last 5 years to actually prove that. He’s doing it with Johnjoe McFadden.
And we now know that that actually happens, there’s multiple papers in the literature that prove that this is not a pipe dream and actually really, this is how biology really works.
How To Use UV Light and Cold Temperatures to Access the Superhuman Pathway
Abel: That’s fascinating. I want to make sure we talk about as well, the Sherpas and their strength and the relation to hypertrophy and the obsession with Westerners and then having big muscles and being strong that way.
When in fact, I remember back in college, my friends and I kind of noticed that effect, we called it Old Man Strength. When you see this skinny old man who can out lift the powerlifter who’s in college, it’s like, what is that? Maybe you can explain a bit.
Dr. Jack Kruse: Well, you remember, I know you remember, I talked about this even back in the early Paleo days, because remember most of them were meatheads and they all thought that big muscles were a huge issue.
And if you remember back then in the cold thermogenesis series, I talked to you about Sherpas and I talked to you about Vasper machines and why NASA was doing this.
This is part of the reason NASA came to talk to me 15 years ago.
I explained to people that when you use UV light and cold together, you create a superhuman pathway in humans, and that was the basis of what the CT4 and CT6 blogs were about.
And I still to this very day, don’t think people get it.
'When you use UV light and cold together, you create a superhuman pathway in humans.' ― Dr. Jack Kruse @DrJackKruse Share on XSo the latest iteration of idiots that I’m making fun of about this issue is Peter Attia, who just released his new book, and he’s good friends with Rick.
He’s good friends with Huberman, but I go off on him, and what’s the point?
I’ll explain this to you as simply as I can, Abel, and then maybe you’ll understand where I’m coming from.
Sherpas generally, they weigh probably 130 to 170 pounds, they can pick up four times their body weight, they’re the guys that bring people up to Everest, when they live at their base camp at around 15 to 20,000 feet, they eat carbohydrates, they eat lentils, they eat rice.
But when they climb up the mountain, when they’re getting closer to UV light, when they’re in freezing cold, they eat nothing but saturated fat, they eat butter, ok. They’re able to function.
In fact, we’re doing this podcast I just saw about 6 weeks ago, that a Sherpa carried a Northern European off the mountain who was dying.
Think about that. Carrying another human being down from 29,000 feet to 15,000 feet at base camp, and having the ability to do this is much more impressive than some jerk off let’s say picking up 450 pounds in a blue lit gym.
But why does this make sense?
Let me explain this to you, humans buried our mitochondrial capacity here and our hearts, ok. Not in our muscles.
Chimps and monkeys and gorillas buried it in those areas. Why does this make sense?
Everybody knows about Kleiber’s law, it’s a mammalian scaling law. Where you bury your mitochondria really matters.
So I told you way back when about Doug Wallace’s work, that every year we lose 10% mitochondrial efficiency, that’s called heteroplasmy, that’s what natural aging is all about.
So does it make any sense to you when you realize that energy is a zero-sum game, that you’re going to hypertrophy in part of your tissues that don’t have mitochondrial capacity, excess mitochondrial capacity as you age.
Don’t you think that’s going to create an energy steal syndrome between your heart and your brain?
Could this be the reason why my friend that I know, someone you know, Charles Peloquin, died?
The answer is yes, that’s part of the reason why I kept telling him, “You’re going to have a problem, because there’s a huge, huge issue.”
We now have Peter going out and, “I’m the New York Times bestseller, people pay me a $100,000 a year to be their doctor.” This guy is a smart guy, don’t get me wrong, I think he’s a smart guy.
But do I think he’s thought about this from a decentralized perspective and not the centralized one? No.
In fact, he posted probably in the last two months, the other day when he got into a heavy zone, his nose started bleeding.
Does anybody think that it’s normal to go through a workout when your nose bleeds?
I mean, based on some of the things that me and Abel have already talked about, about how important your blood is and why I told Rick to use Methylene Blue to maximize his red blood cells.
Remember, this is the doctor that told Rick he was crazy to listen to me, ok?
So if you hypertrophy your muscles as you get older, you’re actually creating a steal syndrome from your brain and your heart.
So you don’t want to do that, this is the reason why you don’t see any 90-year olds look like Michelangelo’s David.
And it’s the point that I made in the Huberman podcast that the guy who’s been studying supercentenarians the most, which is Neil Berzlin, actually Peter Attia does a good job parsing out that science.
These are short little fat Jewish guys that don’t have big muscles, that leptin levels are around 30. But they all have some type of change that happened later in their life where they inactivate the IGF-1 gene. Meaning, through proton tunneling they actually turn off the ability to get big muscles.
You think a guy like Peter Attia would’ve said, “Hey, this is kind of important.”
But what is he doing instead? He’s the New York Times bestseller for selling you the idea that having big muscles is going to lead to longevity.
And I’m the guy that’s telling you this is absolutely wrong. I mean, it’s so dead wrong, because he does not have a thermal dynamic understanding of how energy flows inside cells.
Why? Because his belief system is very much based on what Robb Wolf and Matt Lalonde were pushing in the Paleo community multiple years ago.
And I know Abel knows that those guys also were really big believers in lifting heavy weights and doing things like that.
I’m a big believer in lifting heavy weights, but doing it outside the way Erwan Le Corre does it, in nature.
'I'm a big believer in lifting heavy weights, but doing it outside the way Erwan Le Corre does it, in nature.' ― Dr. Jack Kruse @DrJackKruse Share on XDoing rocks and things like that. I’m not a big fan of doing some of the power lifting stuff that Robb and Matt and Peter are pushing.
And I just want people to understand the reason why.
I don’t want people to think that this is something that I’m trying to actively go against them. No, there’s an actual medical reason.
I think I understand Kleiber’s law better than they do, and I certainly understand quantum biology better than all three of them combined.
And I think my goal as a physician is to do no harm, and when I see another physician potentially putting people at harm, I have a duty to speak up.
It’s not being unprofessional in my opinion to have a difference of opinion with another colleague.
I think it’s fair. I wish we would’ve done this during COVID.
But I want people to understand why my difference of opinion exists, so that then you can vet it appropriately and then decide how it goes.
And I appreciate Abel, you asking me this question on this podcast because hopefully, people will then begin to understand my perspective a little bit better.
Abel: Well, it’s so important, and I think you are a great example to a lot of people out there who are just a little too sheepish to ever disagree with anyone.
Especially upstanding citizens and scientists and well-respected peers or coaches, teachers, whoever they might be.
It’s very important to try to figure this out together and we’re not going to do that if we all pretend to agree.
Dr. Jack Kruse: I just want to tell people in case they don’t know, there’s a 7 hour time difference between me and Abel right now.
So for him, it’s still early in the morning for me it’s, I believe 7:00, close to 7:30. And don’t worry the light is not going to go out where I am because I’m at the 63rd latitude, so it stays on until about 11:30.
Abel: Right on. So Dr. Kruse, Uncle Jack, what is the best place to find your work before we go?
Dr. Jack Kruse: Just put “Dr. Jack Kruse” into just about any social media platform and you’ll find me.
If you want to get the daily lessons, read Twitter, you want to read 10+ years worth of my work, just go to my website, my forums—it’s all there for free.
If you want the cutting edge stuff, costs $5 bucks a month, the cost of a cup of coffee, that’s on Patreon, patreon.com/DrJackKruse.
If you want to read about how I got introduced to Abel, you can actually read the book that Mark Sisson didn’t like, it’s out there on Amazon. It was written in 2013, I met Abel in 2011.
It took two years after the rejection of Mark for me just to decide to self-publish and say, “Look, I already wrote it, so why not just give it to the world? And let’s see what they say.”
Abel: Epi-Paleo Rx is what it’s called, right?
Dr. Jack Kruse: Yeah. I’ve got a lot of old blogs on the Jack Cruise website that are free. I’ve got I think close to 200 free blogs on LinkedIn.
You want to follow me on Instagram? I put all my quotes there, sometimes I put lessons, but most of the time it’s quotes.
But the bottom line is you can find me anywhere.
If you decide you want more of me then you can sign up and be a full member. Or if you really want a lot of me, it’s expensive, but you can hire me as your doctor.
That’s kind of what I’m doing—tomorrow, I’m going to see one of my patients in Norway. So don’t think that I won’t go and find you if I need to come find you.
Abel: Right on. Dr. Jack Kruse, thank you so much for being so generous with your time and attention and knowledge here today. Really appreciate it.
Dr. Jack Kruse: Alright, Abel it was great talking to you too, man. Really was.
Dr. Jack Kruse: We need to do this more than every 12 years.
Abel: I agree. Let’s do it again soon. Thanks again, Jack.
Dr. Jack Kruse: Alright, take care.
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In summertime time speeds up on a relative basis for your cells. So what does Mother Nature do to combat the time relativity in sunlight? She created a “time break” via photosynthesis to slow time back down that only operates with summertime light. The proxy for this is the size and shape changes of certain things in cells and the amount of water created from metabolism.
Light is elegant. Life can also be elegant if the light it experiences is the sun. Time has an effortless elegance to it. Consider the Chinese bamboo tree in how it experiences time.
It doesn’t break through the ground for 5 years, but once it breaks through, it can grow up to 100 feet in 5 weeks. The growth appears effortless but is the result of years of effort below the surface.
The Paradox of Effort teaches us that it is only through the consistent compounding of small daily actions that we can ever hope to deliver exceptional, effortless performances. It is the basis of the butterfly effect, where a small stimulus leads to a massive amplification effect. Light causes time to move this way.
Nature has a certain effortless elegance—almost a nonchalance—in exceptional performance that is completely absent in great performance. This idea woven into Nature is why there is wisdom in every morning looking to the East as the sun rises while we are connected to Earth.
This simple idea has an effortless elegance on timing in your cells. Thermodynamics is a story about time. And we can see the effect of time on the size and shape changes in things alive. That size change is a flow meter for the entropy of light in that living system.
Light creates time in queer fashion. Time is a function of how entropy flows and entropy flows according to how heat flows in a system. Mitochondria create heat when they are irradiated by light. Molecular Clocks in living things become more accurate the higher periodicity they have. It also induces size alteration.
Daily & seasonal light alters the circadian periodicity of clock genes. The diurnal changes of sunlight from sunrise to sunset change the amount of water made in your mitochondria.
Sunlight creates water. Sunlight also creates all foods. Fats create more water than any other food macro. Macronutrients have time encoded in them. Carbohydrates produce the least amount of water in food macros.
Sunlight and modern lighting are not equivalent and this creates a problem with the operations of clocks in cells. Blue light/nnEMF dehydrates cells because they stop H2O production from the mitochondrial TCA cycle. Why is this a big deal?
SCN neurons absorb/release water when firing light information from the eye. When H2O is MIA so are neurological function/capabilities = broken SCN/eye clock. When your mitochondria cannot make metabolic water your eye clock loses its ability to tell proper time = and lose the ability to sleep and account for time in your molecular clocks when water is absent = low melatonin/dopamine/DHA = no repair of the light photoreceptors that allow cells to tell time.
Key point: What happens in your colony of mitochondrial every morning with sunrise writes a story in your flesh. When you wait too long you waste your time
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